Here is my review of the differences between the services provided by Seattle based International Mountain Guides (IMG) and those provided by Nepal based Asian Trekking (AT) for climbing Mount Everest from the Nepal side.
For the benefit of people looking at this page who didn’t follow my dispatches throughout the expeditions, I attempted to climb Mount Everest in 2006 however when I was 100m from the summit, my oxygen bottle ran out and I turned around. I went back again in April 2007 and reached the summit on 23 May 2007. On my first attempt I used IMG to organize all the required Everest logistics (they market this as their non guided program). I was unhappy with some aspects of IMG's program (some details below) so in 2007 I decided to try a different company. There are many alternatives available on the market, and after reviewing almost all of them, including the guided Everest programs, I settled on Asian Trekking's logistics package. The following is a comparison between the two based on my experience. Although I haven't explicitly spelled out the criteria I used to evaluate the different providers, I am think that all the factors that were important to me have been mentioned here, so this may be of use to people evaluating different climbing companies, even if you are not considering Asian Trekking or International Mountain Guides.
Food
All food for the duration of the expedition was provided by both companies, with cooks stationed at base camp and camp 2. I was reasonably happy with the food provided by IMG in 2006, however after going back a second time and comparing the two, I believe we received much better food through Asian Trekking. Of particular note was the fresh fruit Asian Trekking supplied for most lunches and the amount of protein we received. You can read more about my experiences with food on Mount Everest here.
Leadership
We had quite different leaders on both expeditions. The leader from IMG was very organized and experienced however he tended to run the expedition in an almost militaristic manner. I found that Asian Trekking’s leader suited me better as he was more approachable and consultative. This might not be best for everyone, but here are my comments.
Sherpas and other local staff
The Sherpas are critical to the success of most expeditions on Everest. Both Sherpas were good, however I found that the Sherpas from Asian Trekking were more eager to help. A particular event made me feel very uncomfortable at the end of our expedition in 2006 and was a significant factor in me choosing a different company for 2007. See my full discussion here.
Communications
IMG had better radios than Asian Trekking. Battery charging facilities were both good. You can read more here.
Gear and camps
Asian Trekking provided more tents and better quality than IMG did in 2006, although I did notice that IMG has new Coleman tents at some of the higher camps this year. Camp placement was good on both counts. Read the full review here.
Price and payment terms
Cost is similar between the two companies, with Asian Trekking just slightly cheaper. I was much happier with the payment terms offered by Asian Trekking than IMG as we could pay a $2000 deposit to secure our place and then make our final payment right before departure to Nepal. Here's what I paid and when.
Oxygen
The oxygen system used on Everest is a big difference between IMG and all other expeditions. There is no one perfect system, although I do reckon that Poisk is better than the system used by IMG and is the reason why almost everyone on the mountain uses Poisk. Oxygen was a major reason why I chose a different company in 2007. Here is some of the research I have conducted on the topic.
Medical support
IMG paid for each of us to be able to access the base camp medical facility whenever we wanted. This wasn’t provided by AT, but I have been told you can arrange this same level of cover with them directly for yourself for less than $100 for the duration of the expedition. You can also pay per consultation - I believe it's $50 per visit but I didn’t need to visit the medical clinic this year.
Dates
With Asian Trekking we arrived at Everest base camp in 2007 on April 12, 8 days later than we did with IMG in 2006. I think that arriving later was better - in fact we could have even arrived a few days later.
Trek in & out of Everest base camp
In 2007 we stayed in lodges and in 2006 we camped while trekking into Everest Base Camp. Having done both, my preference is lodges. With a room inside a lodge you are out of the elements, can stand upright, move around and spread things out in your room, and who wants to spend more time in a tent when you are about to spend two months living in one. I had people accompany me on both my treks into base camp and there is a big difference between the prices charged for a trek and also the service offered. See discussion for more details.
The other team members
In both years we had great team members, although I think that we felt more like a team in 2007 than in 2006. Was this just me, luck of the draw or was it because of having 8 members instead of 16 last year? See comments about Asian Trekking providing separate camps so that we had a smaller team size.
Anything else
I think it's important to add that in my opinion AT runs a cheaper operation on North side of Everest, so I wouldn’t think that what we experienced this year on the South would necessarily apply to the North side. The price reflects this, and it's not all made up of the permit difference. One of our team members this year had used AT on the North in 2006 and he said that the food in particular was much better on the South this year. This stands to reason, because it would be much more difficult for a Nepalese company to supply a team in Tibet than one in Nepal. Having never climbed on the North, I have no first-hand experience with this and so can't comment.
I did look at about 6 other Nepalese companies when deciding on an outfitter for 2007, but I found that while there were many that could organise an expedition for a small group, no one else had a package designed for individuals who wanted to join a team. Some would even organise an expedition for one person, but I didn't want to be on my own for this amount of time. I also felt that extras such as heater in the base camp dining tent would be left out in a one person expedition.
There were two things that really swayed me in my choice of Asian Trekking for my second expedition. I received a number of very positive recommendations from climbers that I knew first hand. Secondly, I looked at the number of people making repeat attempts with Asian Trekking and thought that this counted for a lot. Some people were onto their third attempt and had used Asian Trekking each time. If they weren't happy then they would have chosen someone else. The same goes for me - if I was climbing Everest again from the Nepal side, I would definitely use Asian Trekking.
Messages
''essential reading''
book — Tue, 10/09/2007 - 08:16an outstanding article paul.anybody intending to climb everest should read your reports !!! 'regards[ken.nz]
Thank Ken
Paul Adler — Tue, 10/09/2007 - 11:16Thanks Ken for all your messages and support. Yes, I hope this review is helpful.
Cheers, Paul.
Very interesting
Nick Grainger — Tue, 10/09/2007 - 12:34Thanks for putting this together Paul. A considered personal view which gives yet more insight into the Everest experience. Nick
Thanks Paul
taloeffler — Tue, 10/09/2007 - 13:39Paul,
Very interesting to read your thoughts and reflections on your two experiences on Everest. I appreciate your even-handedness and thorough exploration. I know I'll look back to your thoughts when choosing an outfitter for my next attempt. Thanks as well for putting your knowledge and insight out for many others to benefit from.
TA
Excellent Info
Cas — Tue, 10/09/2007 - 16:28Well done Paul..
An excellent , informative and objetive comparison
Hope to see you soon
Cas
SOOoooo INTERESTING!!
Visitor — Tue, 11/20/2007 - 22:21Just wanted to put it "out there" that I am SOoo fascinated by every single ONE of the stories I have read from climbers mountaineering Everest! I have never hiked (other than at timberline here in Colorado, my neck of the woods), climbed any mountains, or endeavored to challenge my body physically, other than to carry all this extra weight I carry, but.. I just have to say, I am absolutely intrigued and in absolute AWE at the degree of psychological strength summiting requires. I'm in the psychology business (therapist) and do know about mental and personal challenges as seen from my position, watching people struggle, morph through, and evolve into better people because of their personal challenges and suffering they endure. I recognize the very same elements in every person's account of their attempt to summit the "big mountain." I'm impressed, I'm in awe of the inner strength displayed, and I'm equally amazed at the level of commitment to endurance demonstrated by all who try to accomplish the massive challenge. Here's to all of you who dream big mountains! Keep it up and know that there are millions of us down here below who support you in our thoughts and propel you towards the top every icy crampon step of the way! Yvette
Everest with IMG.. All is not what they seem
Visitor — Wed, 11/28/2007 - 22:29I was on the same expedition as Paul in 2006 with IMG. There's a few things that I would disagree on this arcticle. I felt really good chosing IMG even if i did not go with AT. I've seen AT's set up and organization. I felt that IMG were leaders on the mountain. Setting up ropes and making sure to be ready at the right time. I think this is very very important. You don't want to be stuck with 15 people waiting to go on the Hilary Step.
Oxygen: The system Top Out that IMG used was very high end. They used bigger tank and different so other team can't mistake/steal your oxygen. They were more efficient. Yes the poisk is more tested and used. We had a spare oxygen mask just in case of freeze or failure but it did not happen.
I'm not sure what Paul's problem was with oxygen or anything else but when you are high up, oxygen is your responsibility. Not the sherpas or IMG or AT. You need to make sure the tank is screwed on properly so that you don't have spills.
Also, IMG were very mad at Paul because of his broadcast of the death of a Euro climber.
What if I would of broadcast something like this before knowing names:
Austalian climber dies from fall on the Lohtse ice face.
I think you would of gave your friends a heart attack! By the way, that was illegal in Nepal to broadcast something like that on a unregistered satellite phone.
So that's my take on Paul's very objective article
Thanks
JF Carrey
www.jfcarrey.com
LOGISTIC SUPPORT TO CHOOSE
ghezziv — Wed, 01/16/2008 - 10:44All I have read in this forum is very useful. Now, after reading Paul's considerations about AT and IMG:
is there any other company that you would recommend (when we are going to spend such an amount we had better compare at least 3 to my opinion)?
which company perfoms best on the tibetan side ?
thank you,
Valeria, Italy
Other Nepalese Outfitters
Paul Adler — Wed, 01/30/2008 - 08:47If I was going on the North side, I think I'd go with Russel Brice, but then I really don't know much about the North at all. I am pretty sure Alan Arnette is going with Project Himalaya on the North, so you could get some feedback from him about their services. The next biggest company in Nepal (after AT) is probably Thamserku Trekking: www.ThamserkuTrekking.com, so they would be worth a call too. But I have heard some not so positive things about the quality of their trips, so I didn't contact them at all.
I have heard good things about this company - www.shangrilatrek.com, but when I talked to them in 2006, I thought that they weren't really catering to individual climbers wanting to join an expedition. They were better suited to a group that wanted to put together their own expedition.
I have used this list before too: http://www.mounteverest.net/page/trekking/nepaltrekking.shtml
Cheers, Paul.
LOGISTIC SUPPORT EVEREST SOUTH & NORTH
Visitor — Wed, 01/30/2008 - 11:04Thank you very much Paul for your reply. Have you also heard about the agency Monte Rosa Treks & Expeditions in Kathmandu, www.monterosa-nepal.com ?
Thank you also for your reply to my question on O2 bottles !
I appreciate your availability to help others less experienced.
Ciao,
Valeria.
I haven't heard of Monte Rosa
Paul Adler — Wed, 01/30/2008 - 11:46Happy to help.
I haven't heard about these guys, but thats probably because there are so, so many small trekking agencies. Many of them exist primarily as the local agency for a Western trekking company. It's worth finding out what overseas companies they arrange treks for, because I think it needs to be factored into the equation.
My thinking with this was that if you use a company that arranges expeditions for a large foreign trekking agency, then you have the possible benefit that they might more more experienced at providing a higher standard service, but on the other hand if they happen to be running a trip at the same time as you, then all the best gear and Sherpas will be allocated to the most important client, which is unlikely to be you :) That is just my thinking, and may not always be the case. This was another reason why I didn't go with Sherpa Shangri La, because from memory they arrange a lot of treks/expeditions for Alpine Ascents, and I was concerned that they would have all their resources focused on them and not enough on me.
But I did receive some positive comments about them. My decision to use Asian Trekking was largely based on the the positive reports I received and that I spoke with several climbers who had been with them on repeat trips, which in my book was a very strong argument. Of particular note was a climber who had been with the company that I used first and then made two successive attempts with AT. I have now done two trips with AT (Everest April-May 07 & Island peak in November 07), and I was again very happy with the service & value and will continue to use them.
Paul.
Everest 2008 North
Alan Arnette — Fri, 02/01/2008 - 03:10I am going with a small team led by Ryan Waters of Mountain Professionals. Logistics will be coordinated by Phil Crampton. We will be a team of 4 climbers plus Ryan.
I looked hard at all the north side operators for this climb since it is so important to me and my Cure Alzheimer's Fund objective. I wanted to maximize my safety and opportunity for success. I felt a small and focused team would accomplish this and not subject me to the "one size fits all" approach of a large team or a logistics only operator.
I have arranged for some special considerations in terms of oxygen and support to stack the deck in my favor but I still recognize that it will be very difficult to reach my goal.
All I can do is my best. I have trained hard the past 8 months with climbs on Denali, Shisha Pangma, Aconcagua and Orizaba and continue to push myself these last two months.
Props to Paul for all he does for climbers and this website.
Climb On!
Alan
Monterosa Trekking for Everest North Side
Visitor — Wed, 02/20/2008 - 04:06My name is Adrian Crane and I attempted Everest in 2005 and 2007 from the North with Monterosa Trekking. Although I did not summit I have only myself to blame. Monterosa provided a solid and comfortable base Camp and Advance Base camp. They do not offer guiding services or support above ABC but then that is a lot of the challenge of Everest; confident and experienced climbers can make their own decisions on the mountain. They can arrange sherpas and oxygen if you wish. Monterosa is considerably less expensive than most other methods of reaching Everest and they certainly provide a solid platform for an attempt. Monterosa is an independant Kathmandu based company that has been in business for , I think , 10 years and have considerable North side experience. If you have questions you can google me at 'teamkarma' and send me an email. Good luck.
Thanks for the info
Paul Adler — Wed, 02/20/2008 - 04:34Thanks Adrian for the post and info about Monterosa. It's always much better to be able to contact people who have actually used the services of the agency rather than just listening to people representing the company.
Cheers, Paul.