I was going to write about down suits and jackets, however I started writing about boots and it ended up taking a whole update so I’ll write about the down gear next
There are pretty much only two types of boots being used by climbers on Everest - Millet Everest and La Sportiva Olympus Mons. Here are my thoughts on them.
My Boots
I have Millet Everest III boots like these. The III model is not the latest - you can tell it by the large Millet writing on the front of the gaiter, and rough rubber on the sides of the boot. This rubber is meant to keep the boot warmer and melt the snow off, and it does seem to do this, but I note that the new model released last year doesn’t have this. Maybe it didn’t work well and wasn’t worth the weight? I have a Euro size 45 1/3 and in normal shoes I take a 43. These boots are reasonably tough and sturdy, however they are heavy. Mine weigh 2340 grams or a little over 5lbs each.
The alternative is the
La Sportiva Olympus Mons EVO and at 5lbs 6oz for the pair, these are a lot lighter. In fact nearly half the the weight of the Millet boot. However they are not as warm, although this extra warmth might only be needed on summit night and could easily be countered with Hotronics (
see previous post). One of the ways that they have made these boots so much lighter, is by using a strange material on the outer sole of the base of the boot. It's almost like a compressed closed cell foam – if you walk on rocks you will quickly ruin the tread, so you need to be very careful. The boots in the picture are of a team member with me on Everest in 2007 had been only been used once before for a climb of Aconcagua. If you look carefully can already see that almost all the tread has disappeared. These boots are being repaired by the Goo Man - the plastic zipper no longer worked. Fortunately it was noticed at base camp, and we were able to sew on some strapping and make a temporary repair and then Fiona bought in another pair, however if this happened up high or near the end of the trip, it could cost you dearly. These boots will do one season on Everest comfortably, but any more will be pushing it.
Trade Off
So the trade-off is weight (approx 5Kg compared to 2.5Kg) with sturdiness and warmth. Some people take a lighter pair of climbing boots to use between BC and C2. Obviously this makes the going much easier for you up to C2, but it means that your heavy mountaineering boots have to be carried up and then down when you are finished the expedition. However given that you will make this trip at least 3 times on an expedition, it’s worth considering, as weight saved on your feet is very significant.
What would I recommend?
For me, I am happy with my Millet Everest boots, despite their weight. If you were worried about your physical ability up high, I think LaSportiva is a good choice, however do minimize the time that you wear them by using other boots down lower on the mountain.
Getting my boots ready
I have a regular routine that I follow for getting my boots ready before the start of a climbing day. This is especially important if I know that we are going to be starting early or that it's going to be cold. It goes like this:
When I get into camp I take my liners out and put them either outside in the sun or else in the netting at the top of the tent if its warm enough. Failing that, they go into my sleeping bag when I am inside it. Dry boots are important because they are much warmer.
On summit night on any mountain it’s really important to have warm feet, because it’s usually colder given that its night time and the altitude is higher. It can take a while for the boots to get warm, and if you put your feet into cold boots, it will make your feet cold and cause the blood vessels to constrict in this area, thereby reducing the amount of blood circulating. This makes you feet get colder and compounds the problem.
It's important to be organised and get the boots warmed up with plenty of time to spare.
A minimum of two hours before I am due to leave, I put my climbing socks on and then my boot liners on my feet inside my sleeping bag. I leave the laces undone and the whole thing very loose, so that nothing impedes circulation. If I notice any part of my feet getting cold, I give them a vigorous massage tp try and get the blood flowing. Half a hour later I put my outer boots in my bag too. With 45 minutes to 1 hour before we leave, I open the chemical hand warmers I plan to use inside my gloves. Up high these take a long time to heat up and at 8000m it’s at least 45 minutes. If you put them into your gloves where they get even less air, before they are really warm, then they will never be very hot. After opening the packet and shaking them around a little bit, I put them into my outer boots inside my sleeping bag and I find this warms up the boots a lot, whilst still allowing plenty of air to reach the hand warmers. When it’s time to put the boots on (the very last thing I do in the tent), I put the hand warmers in my gloves and hop into toasty boots.
If anyone else has any handy suggestions, an improvement on the above, or a completely different idea altogether, please comment.
Messages
Again, thanks.
sarah — Sun, 07/08/2007 - 14:32Jill, Dallas, TX
Paul, it is so good to see a new post from you! So glad you are taking the time and effort to share all of this information with us. I will look forward to anything you are willing to share with us! Hope yours and Fiona's lives are going well!
Thanks
Paul Adler — Tue, 07/10/2007 - 13:52Hi Jill, Thanks for your message and particularly the support you gave us during the climb. Rgds, Paul.
Boots for Aconcagua
7 Summits — Mon, 07/09/2007 - 07:29G'day Paul and Fiona!
Welcome home (belated) and great to see more posts coming through. Your website is such a great resource of valuable and interesting information...thank you!
It is quite ironic that your last post was dedicated to boots as l am in the process of deciding what would be the most appropriate boot for climbing Aconcagua in Jan 2008.
Do you have any suggestions/recommendations? Or if anybody else has some feedback it would be much appreciated?
Hope you have both settled back into 'normal' life after your successful summit. Congratulations again to you both...a truly inspirational couple!
Hope to catch up with you both as we planned prior to leaving for your expedition.
Take care,
Cherie
Boots for Aconcagua
Paul Adler — Tue, 07/10/2007 - 13:51Cherie,
We used plastic Koflach boots on Aconcagua, but we were pretty lucky with good weather. Some people I know have used La Sportiva One Sport Evo boots - the same ones you would use on Everest. I think this is overkill and if you then went and used the same boots on Everest, you run the risk that your earlier use of them will have compressed the liners and reduced their thermal insulating capabilities. That said, Attila, who climbed with La Sportiva One Sport Evo boots on Aconcagua this year, reckoned the temperature was so cold, he wouldn't have got up, if he didn't have them. This is where a pair of Hotronic foot warmers would also come in handy, especially if you were using lesser boots.
Millet Everests are definitely too heavy. If I was climbing it again, I would climb with a mid to high end Asolo boot. I have Asolo8000 boots, which are not bad. They are designed for higher altitude climbing, but I also climbed Mt Blanc & the Matterhorn with them. They wouldn't be my first choice specifically for this type of alpine climbing, but at least it shows that they are versatile.
Yes, lets catch up.
Paul.
Vital Information
spuddler — Mon, 07/09/2007 - 13:22Paul thanks for the information once again. The commentary on the brands are great but the procedures on what worked for you is just what some of us are looking for. I look forward to the next review and hopefully in time some of last years problems will be discussed. I am sure that many others beside myself are still interested in your thoughts on your experiences last year and perhaps comparisons to this years succesful climb. Cheers
More info coming
Paul Adler — Wed, 07/11/2007 - 03:29Hi Yes, I will write a summary of my experience this year and compare it to 2006. Paul.
PDA, Satphones, Softwear
CraigBoyle — Tue, 07/10/2007 - 11:33Hi Paul,
I'm enjoying the gear information and am finding it very interesting. Will you be writing about the way you were updating the website while on the mountain? Also keeping all those batteries alive, it wound be interesting to get your thoughts on solar panels.
Regards Craig.
Tehcnology for updating MyEverest site
Paul Adler — Wed, 07/11/2007 - 03:30Hi Craig, Yes I can write about updating this site and the gear I used. Very happy to share that information. Cheers, Paul.
Double plasic with over boots sufficient for Everest?
qonbige — Tue, 12/18/2007 - 17:08Hi Paul,
I plan to use Koflack with a special inner boots and 40 Below overboots and toewarmer chemical packets/patches. Would this be enough on Big E? Please advise. Thanks,
Quang
La Sportiva or Millet are better
Paul Adler — Tue, 12/18/2007 - 23:42Hi Quang, I'd advise against using Koflachs on Everest. Millet or La Sportiva make warmer and lighter boots (La Sportiva are probably the lightest around, but the Millets are close). Chemical toe warmers are not that good, because not much air gets inside your boots, so the reaction doesn't occur as much, and they are not hot. Electric warmers (Hotronic) are much better.
You can buy Millet boots cheaply in Nepal - let me know and I can post the email addresses of a couple of Nepalese shops that can help you you. You'd want to have them arranged before you left for Nepal.
Good luck, Paul A.
Boots for Denali
Visitor — Sun, 12/30/2007 - 06:55Hi Paul and thanks for all the advice.
Regarding boots, would La Sportiva or Millet be overkill for Denali? Can you recommend other alternatives?
Thanks
Manny
Asolo a possibility, but not for me.
Paul Adler — Wed, 01/30/2008 - 03:08I have some Asolo AFS 8000 boots, but they are no where near as warm as the Millet's or La Sportiva. I can't really recommend anything else other than these two.
What is the fit of the Millet Everest Boot?
Visitor — Wed, 01/30/2008 - 01:57I have a generic foot and I wear a US size 12 for all my shoes and boots. My question is how does the Millet fit? Loose, tight, wide, long?
Also what are size comparisons for UK sizes to US?
Sizing for Millet boots
Paul Adler — Wed, 01/30/2008 - 06:26The Millet Everest is big, wide and a common complaint is that they are sloppy. I usually wear European size 43-44 boots / runners, and I have size 45 in my Millets. I would recommend getting approx two sizes larger than what you normally wear, because you don't want your boots to restrict your circulation. Not sure about the exact comparison of UK to US sizes, but just look at a pair of good fitting hiking boots to get your size in European and then get about 2 sizes larger.
Hope this helps.
Which is better for warth and over use?
Visitor — Mon, 03/10/2008 - 22:27Which one will be better for warmth and using the same pair over and over again, the Millet or La Sportiva ?
What boots will last longer
Paul Adler — Mon, 03/10/2008 - 23:17Thats a good question - La Sportiva is definitely lighter, so I would think that they wouldn't hold up as well longer term than Millet.
North Col
Visitor — Sat, 04/19/2008 - 00:02Do you have a recommendation for a warm boot for an Everest North Col trip
(No summit plans)?
Thanks!
Boots for the North Col of Everest
Paul Adler — Sat, 04/19/2008 - 00:45Assuming that you are going to the North Col during either of the two climbing seasons, you could use pretty much any decent, reasonably new plastic mountaineering boots.
If you want to make the climb easier for yourself, find something thats reasonably light, because weight off your feet counts for a lot. I have ASOLO AFS 8000 boots which I use for sub 8000m climbs and these are really warm, although at 2.5kg for the pair there are lighter boots available. I'd recommend that you consider La Sportiva Nepal EVO GTX which would be suitable and only weigh 1000 grams each. If you didn't want to have to worry about the cold (or do feel the cold), but want lightweight boots, then buy La Sportiva Olympus Mons EVO, which weigh about the same as the Nepal EVO GTX, but are capable of going all the way to the summit. (These boots are not very long lasting, so you'd only get a couple of trips out of them at the most.)
Hope this helps,
Paul
How extreme to go....??
adrock — Tue, 07/15/2008 - 05:45Hi, great article.
Im also planning to do Aconcagua, and then some Himalayas afterwards and are tossing up between a few different boots.
I was looking at the Millet Everest GTX too. My dillema is that I dont want to go too over the top if its not neccesary, but at the same time dont want to have to upgrade later.
The new Everest GTX boots are only about 2700 grams per PAIR, so now that they are lighter, would that make them more suitable for something like Aconcagua? (i noticed your concern about the weight on previous models).
Another option would be the Millet Alpinist GTX as I want to get inot some ice climbing too...
Also, can this style of boot do pretty much the same thing as the plastic ones these days?
Thanks a lot,
Adam
Boots for Aconcagua & Nepal
Paul Adler — Wed, 07/16/2008 - 12:18Hi Adam,
I think that it would not be a good idea to use Millet Everest boots on Aconcagua. Not only would you be hot and uncomfortable, but you'd find the going tough because of the extra weight and that they are pretty clumsy when on rock. The other issue is that any mountaineering boot has a limited lifespan before the insulation get compacted rendering it less effective, so you'd be running the risk by using it on Aconcagua that it wouldn't work well when you really need it on a colder mountain. As a general rule as boots are getting lighter, lifespans are getting shorter.
If you really want something good for Aconcagua, get a lighter weight mountaineering boot and use Hottronic heated insoles. That way you'll feel more comfortable, have less weight to carry and if it does get cold or there is some emergency you can instantly heat up your boots to +32C for 18 hours with a single pair of batteries. If you are climbing trekking peaks in Nepal, then the same setup will work there. If you are climbing something bigger and want Millet Everest boots, you can buy these in Kathmandu for about $550US. You need to know your size and pre order them. My contact in Kathmandu is Nawang Sherpa, ph 977-1-4487269.
Regards, Paul Adler.
aconcagua one shot base camp to summit
davidpastor — Tue, 08/12/2008 - 22:35Hi. Paul.
Last january I went to the aconcagua to go from base camp (plaza de mulas) to summit in one shot. I made the summit in 10Hrs but I used the Koflach Arctis Expe and I feel that I could use some thing more suitable. I'm going back on 2009 to try to make it in less time in preparation for the Denali. Do you have any sugestion of what kind of boot I should be using for this kind of ascent?
Regards