I was going to write about down suits and jackets, however I started writing about boots and it ended up taking a whole update so I’ll write about the down gear next
There are pretty much only two types of boots being used by climbers on Everest - Millet Everest and La Sportiva Olympus Mons. Here are my thoughts on them.
My Boots
On Everest I used Millet Everest III boots. The III model is not the latest - you can tell it by the large Millet writing on the front of the gaiter, and rough rubber on the sides of the boot. This rubber is meant to keep the boot warmer and melt the snow off, and it does seem to do this, but I note that the new model released last year doesn’t have this. Maybe it didn’t work well and wasn’t worth the weight? I have a Euro size 45 1/3 and in normal shoes I take a 43. These boots are reasonably tough and sturdy, however they are heavy. Mine weigh 2340 grams or a little over 5lbs each.
The alternative is the
La Sportiva Olympus Mons EVO and at 5lbs 6oz for the pair, these are a lot lighter. In fact nearly half the the weight of the Millet boot. However they are not as warm, although this extra warmth might only be needed on summit night and could easily be countered with Hotronics (
see previous post). One of the ways that they have made these boots so much lighter, is by using a strange material on the outer sole of the base of the boot. It's almost like a compressed closed cell foam – if you walk on rocks you will quickly ruin the tread, so you need to be very careful. The boots in the picture are of a team member with me on Everest in 2007 had been only been used once before for a climb of Aconcagua. If you look carefully can already see that almost all the tread has disappeared. These boots are being repaired by the Goo Man - the plastic zipper no longer worked. Fortunately it was noticed at base camp, and we were able to sew on some strapping and make a temporary repair and then Fiona bought in another pair, however if this happened up high or near the end of the trip, it could cost you dearly. These boots will do one season on Everest comfortably, but any more will be pushing it.
Trade Off
So the trade-off is weight (approx 5Kg compared to 2.5Kg) with sturdiness and warmth. Some people take a lighter pair of climbing boots to use between BC and C2. Obviously this makes the going much easier for you up to C2, but it means that your heavy mountaineering boots have to be carried up and then down when you are finished the expedition. However given that you will make this trip at least 3 times on an expedition, it’s worth considering, as weight saved on your feet is very significant.
What would I recommend?
For me, I am happy with my Millet Everest boots, despite their weight. If you were worried about your physical ability up high, I think LaSportiva is a good choice, however do minimize the time that you wear them by using other boots down lower on the mountain.
Getting my boots ready
I have a regular routine that I follow for getting my boots ready before the start of a climbing day. This is especially important if I know that we are going to be starting early or that it's going to be cold. It goes like this:
When I get into camp I take my liners out and put them either outside in the sun or else in the netting at the top of the tent if its warm enough. Failing that, they go into my sleeping bag when I am inside it. Dry boots are important because they are much warmer.
On summit night on any mountain it’s really important to have warm feet, because it’s usually colder given that its night time and the altitude is higher. It can take a while for the boots to get warm, and if you put your feet into cold boots, it will make your feet cold and cause the blood vessels to constrict in this area, thereby reducing the amount of blood circulating. This makes you feet get colder and compounds the problem.
It's important to be organised and get the boots warmed up with plenty of time to spare.
A minimum of two hours before I am due to leave, I put my climbing socks on and then my boot liners on my feet inside my sleeping bag. I leave the laces undone and the whole thing very loose, so that nothing impedes circulation. If I notice any part of my feet getting cold, I give them a vigorous massage tp try and get the blood flowing. Half a hour later I put my outer boots in my bag too. With 45 minutes to 1 hour before we leave, I open the chemical hand warmers I plan to use inside my gloves. Up high these take a long time to heat up and at 8000m it’s at least 45 minutes. If you put them into your gloves where they get even less air, before they are really warm, then they will never be very hot. After opening the packet and shaking them around a little bit, I put them into my outer boots inside my sleeping bag and I find this warms up the boots a lot, whilst still allowing plenty of air to reach the hand warmers. When it’s time to put the boots on (the very last thing I do in the tent), I put the hand warmers in my gloves and hop into toasty boots.
If anyone else has any handy suggestions, an improvement on the above, or a completely different idea altogether, please comment.
Messages
Again, thanks.
sarah — Sun, 07/08/2007 - 14:32Jill, Dallas, TX
Paul, it is so good to see a new post from you! So glad you are taking the time and effort to share all of this information with us. I will look forward to anything you are willing to share with us! Hope yours and Fiona's lives are going well!
Thanks
Paul Adler — Tue, 07/10/2007 - 13:52Hi Jill, Thanks for your message and particularly the support you gave us during the climb. Rgds, Paul.
Boots for Aconcagua
7 Summits — Mon, 07/09/2007 - 07:29G'day Paul and Fiona!
Welcome home (belated) and great to see more posts coming through. Your website is such a great resource of valuable and interesting information...thank you!
It is quite ironic that your last post was dedicated to boots as l am in the process of deciding what would be the most appropriate boot for climbing Aconcagua in Jan 2008.
Do you have any suggestions/recommendations? Or if anybody else has some feedback it would be much appreciated?
Hope you have both settled back into 'normal' life after your successful summit. Congratulations again to you both...a truly inspirational couple!
Hope to catch up with you both as we planned prior to leaving for your expedition.
Take care,
Cherie
Boots for Aconcagua
Paul Adler — Tue, 07/10/2007 - 13:51Cherie,
We used plastic Koflach boots on Aconcagua, but we were pretty lucky with good weather. Some people I know have used La Sportiva One Sport Evo boots - the same ones you would use on Everest. I think this is overkill and if you then went and used the same boots on Everest, you run the risk that your earlier use of them will have compressed the liners and reduced their thermal insulating capabilities. That said, Attila, who climbed with La Sportiva One Sport Evo boots on Aconcagua this year, reckoned the temperature was so cold, he wouldn't have got up, if he didn't have them. This is where a pair of Hotronic foot warmers would also come in handy, especially if you were using lesser boots.
Millet Everests are definitely too heavy. If I was climbing it again, I would climb with a mid to high end Asolo boot. I have Asolo8000 boots, which are not bad. They are designed for higher altitude climbing, but I also climbed Mt Blanc & the Matterhorn with them. They wouldn't be my first choice specifically for this type of alpine climbing, but at least it shows that they are versatile.
Yes, lets catch up.
Paul.
Vital Information
spuddler — Mon, 07/09/2007 - 13:22Paul thanks for the information once again. The commentary on the brands are great but the procedures on what worked for you is just what some of us are looking for. I look forward to the next review and hopefully in time some of last years problems will be discussed. I am sure that many others beside myself are still interested in your thoughts on your experiences last year and perhaps comparisons to this years succesful climb. Cheers
More info coming
Paul Adler — Wed, 07/11/2007 - 03:29Hi Yes, I will write a summary of my experience this year and compare it to 2006. Paul.
PDA, Satphones, Softwear
CraigBoyle — Tue, 07/10/2007 - 11:33Hi Paul,
I'm enjoying the gear information and am finding it very interesting. Will you be writing about the way you were updating the website while on the mountain? Also keeping all those batteries alive, it wound be interesting to get your thoughts on solar panels.
Regards Craig.
Tehcnology for updating MyEverest site
Paul Adler — Wed, 07/11/2007 - 03:30Hi Craig, Yes I can write about updating this site and the gear I used. Very happy to share that information. Cheers, Paul.
Double plasic with over boots sufficient for Everest?
qonbige — Tue, 12/18/2007 - 17:08Hi Paul,
I plan to use Koflack with a special inner boots and 40 Below overboots and toewarmer chemical packets/patches. Would this be enough on Big E? Please advise. Thanks,
Quang
La Sportiva or Millet are better
Paul Adler — Tue, 12/18/2007 - 23:42Hi Quang, I'd advise against using Koflachs on Everest. Millet or La Sportiva make warmer and lighter boots (La Sportiva are probably the lightest around, but the Millets are close). Chemical toe warmers are not that good, because not much air gets inside your boots, so the reaction doesn't occur as much, and they are not hot. Electric warmers (Hotronic) are much better.
You can buy Millet boots cheaply in Nepal - let me know and I can post the email addresses of a couple of Nepalese shops that can help you you. You'd want to have them arranged before you left for Nepal.
Good luck, Paul A.
Boots for Denali
Visitor — Sun, 12/30/2007 - 06:55Hi Paul and thanks for all the advice.
Regarding boots, would La Sportiva or Millet be overkill for Denali? Can you recommend other alternatives?
Thanks
Manny
Asolo a possibility, but not for me.
Paul Adler — Wed, 01/30/2008 - 03:08I have some Asolo AFS 8000 boots, but they are no where near as warm as the Millet's or La Sportiva. I can't really recommend anything else other than these two.
What is the fit of the Millet Everest Boot?
Visitor — Wed, 01/30/2008 - 01:57I have a generic foot and I wear a US size 12 for all my shoes and boots. My question is how does the Millet fit? Loose, tight, wide, long?
Also what are size comparisons for UK sizes to US?
Sizing for Millet boots
Paul Adler — Wed, 01/30/2008 - 06:26The Millet Everest is big, wide and a common complaint is that they are sloppy. I usually wear European size 43-44 boots / runners, and I have size 45 in my Millets. I would recommend getting approx two sizes larger than what you normally wear, because you don't want your boots to restrict your circulation. Not sure about the exact comparison of UK to US sizes, but just look at a pair of good fitting hiking boots to get your size in European and then get about 2 sizes larger.
Hope this helps.
Which is better for warth and over use?
Visitor — Mon, 03/10/2008 - 22:27Which one will be better for warmth and using the same pair over and over again, the Millet or La Sportiva ?
What boots will last longer
Paul Adler — Mon, 03/10/2008 - 23:17Thats a good question - La Sportiva is definitely lighter, so I would think that they wouldn't hold up as well longer term than Millet.
North Col
Visitor — Sat, 04/19/2008 - 00:02Do you have a recommendation for a warm boot for an Everest North Col trip
(No summit plans)?
Thanks!
Boots for the North Col of Everest
Paul Adler — Sat, 04/19/2008 - 00:45Assuming that you are going to the North Col during either of the two climbing seasons, you could use pretty much any decent, reasonably new plastic mountaineering boots.
If you want to make the climb easier for yourself, find something thats reasonably light, because weight off your feet counts for a lot. I have ASOLO AFS 8000 boots which I use for sub 8000m climbs and these are really warm, although at 2.5kg for the pair there are lighter boots available. I'd recommend that you consider La Sportiva Nepal EVO GTX which would be suitable and only weigh 1000 grams each. If you didn't want to have to worry about the cold (or do feel the cold), but want lightweight boots, then buy La Sportiva Olympus Mons EVO, which weigh about the same as the Nepal EVO GTX, but are capable of going all the way to the summit. (These boots are not very long lasting, so you'd only get a couple of trips out of them at the most.)
Hope this helps,
Paul
How extreme to go....??
adrock — Tue, 07/15/2008 - 05:45Hi, great article.
Im also planning to do Aconcagua, and then some Himalayas afterwards and are tossing up between a few different boots.
I was looking at the Millet Everest GTX too. My dillema is that I dont want to go too over the top if its not neccesary, but at the same time dont want to have to upgrade later.
The new Everest GTX boots are only about 2700 grams per PAIR, so now that they are lighter, would that make them more suitable for something like Aconcagua? (i noticed your concern about the weight on previous models).
Another option would be the Millet Alpinist GTX as I want to get inot some ice climbing too...
Also, can this style of boot do pretty much the same thing as the plastic ones these days?
Thanks a lot,
Adam
Boots for Aconcagua & Nepal
Paul Adler — Wed, 07/16/2008 - 12:18Hi Adam,
I think that it would not be a good idea to use Millet Everest boots on Aconcagua. Not only would you be hot and uncomfortable, but you'd find the going tough because of the extra weight and that they are pretty clumsy when on rock. The other issue is that any mountaineering boot has a limited lifespan before the insulation get compacted rendering it less effective, so you'd be running the risk by using it on Aconcagua that it wouldn't work well when you really need it on a colder mountain. As a general rule as boots are getting lighter, lifespans are getting shorter.
If you really want something good for Aconcagua, get a lighter weight mountaineering boot and use Hottronic heated insoles. That way you'll feel more comfortable, have less weight to carry and if it does get cold or there is some emergency you can instantly heat up your boots to +32C for 18 hours with a single pair of batteries. If you are climbing trekking peaks in Nepal, then the same setup will work there. If you are climbing something bigger and want Millet Everest boots, you can buy these in Kathmandu for about $550US. You need to know your size and pre order them. My contact in Kathmandu is Nawang Sherpa, ph 977-1-4487269.
Regards, Paul Adler.
aconcagua one shot base camp to summit
davidpastor — Tue, 08/12/2008 - 22:35Hi. Paul.
Last january I went to the aconcagua to go from base camp (plaza de mulas) to summit in one shot. I made the summit in 10Hrs but I used the Koflach Arctis Expe and I feel that I could use some thing more suitable. I'm going back on 2009 to try to make it in less time in preparation for the Denali. Do you have any sugestion of what kind of boot I should be using for this kind of ascent?
Regards
What about trail running shoes?
Paul Adler — Mon, 11/24/2008 - 11:41If you were running, could you just use some sturdy trail running shoes up to Camp Berlin and then maybe some stiffer hiking boots if you knew that you wouldn't be using crampons and the weather was good? This type of thing is not something that I know much about at all, I am afraid.
Regards, Paul.
Hi Paul Nice That you give
yves meremans — Sun, 11/23/2008 - 20:06Hi Paul
Nice That you give us all the information and very good website.
We are climbing cho oyu in april 2009 and i was goiing to buy millet boots in belgium the price is about 550euro and as you sayed you now stores in kathmandu maybe i could buy them there already with internet is this possible
Best regards
Yves
PS Sorry if my english is not so good
I'd buy the boots in Belgium
Paul Adler — Mon, 11/24/2008 - 11:38Hi Yves,
Thanks for your comments and good luck for Cho Oyu. Depending on the exchange rate you would only be saving a small amount of money, so I probably would buy them in Belgium if I was you, and that way you know that you have them and in your size.
As for buying over the internet, you'd only want to be picking them up in KTM and not trusting the Nepal shipping.
Paul.
Aconcagua Boots
Mario — Thu, 11/27/2008 - 23:38Hi Paul
I'm writing to ask you for your adwice.
In January 09. I'm going to Aconcagua, and i would like to ask you if La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX boots will be right for this mountain?
Thanks Mario
Great choice for boots
Paul Adler — Fri, 11/28/2008 - 00:03H Mario, I think La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX would be perfect boots to wear. Not too stiff and not too heavy either. You could also wear these for trekking peaks in Nepal too.
Regards, Paul.
La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX Boot Size
nvfinishes@gmail.com — Wed, 04/08/2009 - 13:37Paul,
I have also been searching for the right boot to climb Aconcagau in.
Your comment that the La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX would be perfect has convinced me to purchase pair.
Should the La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX also be purchased two sizes larger than my normal US shoe size?
Do you have any recommendations for a La Sportiva dealer that I should purchase these from?
Cheers,
Keith
Suggest trying the boots on first before buying
Paul Adler — Wed, 04/08/2009 - 14:49Hi Keith,
Will you get an opportunity to try them on before buying? I'd recommend this if you can, with the socks that you are likely to be wearing. It's best to err on the too large side rather than too small, but as to the exact number of sizes larger than your normal shoe sizes I can't say. But somewhere between 1-2 sizes larger would be a very good guide. You don't need a tight fit for Aconcagua and you don't want a tight fit which would reduce circulation in your feet.
No recommendations for any dealers I am afraid. Once you know what you want, then I'd just buy from whoever can give you the best price.
Hope this helps,
Paul.
Foot warmer
PeterG — Mon, 04/13/2009 - 08:51Hi Paul,
First, thanks for making this site, I have found lots of useful and insightful information here. I noticed that your gear list included Hotronic foot warmers. Did you use them on the summit, and if so, would you care to comment on your experience with them?
Thanks,
Peter
Recommend Hotronic Footwarmers
Paul Adler — Mon, 04/13/2009 - 09:48Hi Peter,
Thanks for your message. Yes I would highly recommend Hotronic foot warmers. I keep them in my boots all the time and always take a set of batteries with me even if I don't think I'll need them. Yes I used them on the summit night, mostly on the lowest setting. In fact just before I got to the Hillary Step I noticed my feet getting colder, and I checked the batteries and they had run out, so I changed to a new set. (You get about 16 hours at the lowest heat setting.) It's very important with your feet to avoid them getting cold in the first place, because otherwise the blood vessels constrict making it even harder to warm them up again.
I sewed Hotronic extension cables into the inside zipper flap of my down suit so that the batteries could sit in my chest pockets instead of down at my feet. This makes it easier to adjust the temperature and change them over.
Regards
Paul.
What Boots?
nabs — Sun, 04/19/2009 - 12:07Hi,
I'm from South Africa and I'm battling to find a pair of boots for myself. I am climbing Elbrus in June and hopefully Everest in 2010 or 2011 with some high altitude climbs in between. I have tried on a La Sportiva Nepal Extreme in a 48 and it fits nicely but was worried about the warmth and much I could use it after Elbrus and its expensive here in S.A. I tried on a Scarpa Vega/Inferno in a 12.5UK and it was to small and basically all the suppliers here in S.A have told me to find a boot on the internet because they have nothing for me. I have been looking at the Asolo AFS800 but dont about the fit or much about the boot. What about the Millet Alpinist GTX. It's really frustrating as I've been trying to get a boot here for about 6 months and have come up dry and have been shrugged off by the stores here. Another thing is overboots, should I use them or not, but with what boot?
If anyone has some advice or knows some good websites for boots, please let me know, your assistance is greatly appreciated
Nabs
Boots
nabs — Fri, 04/24/2009 - 17:35Any advice would be great!
Where I have bought boots
Paul Adler — Thu, 04/30/2009 - 02:45Hi Nabs,
I have bought boots from http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com (search by brand is the easiest). They have Millet Everest boots at EU429 ex VAT, which is a good price. I found it best to just call them and talk to them over the phone.
I have some Asolo AFS 8000 boots and they would be good for low to mid altitude climbing, but not for high altitude climbing (7500m+). I would only consider La Sportiva Olympus Mons or Millet Everest for this.
I reckon that my Asolo AFS 8000 boots are a little heavy and stiff, but they are pretty warm.
It sounds to me like you are going to just have to buy the largest size you can get your hands on and then hope for the best. If you can't use thick socks, then you could consider some hotronic electric footwarmers to compensate without adding bulk.
You can also easily buy Millet boots in Kathmandu for about $550US (La Sportiva is not so common in Kathmandu).
Paul.
Boots+gear
nabs — Thu, 04/30/2009 - 12:45Hi Paul,
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated, wil look into it.
One more thing,
What rope/slings do you use that is connected to your harness that connects you up to the fixed line? Do you make your own (if so how and what do you make it out of) or do you buy a sort of ready made one and just attach a carabiner and what carabiner do you use?
I want to do a similar thing and attach my axe to my harness so if I have to change hands it's not a problem.
Thanks very much
I make my own ascender/carabiner Y sling.
Paul Adler — Thu, 04/30/2009 - 13:24I make my own Y sling from 6mm climbing cord. Start with about 3 metres of 6mm climbing cord and tie one end into a carabiner using a clove hitch knot (This site has an example of a clove hitch being tied into a carbiner, except I tie it into the smaller side of the carbiner http://www.abc-of-rockclimbing.com/howto/learn_climbing_knots.asp). Then tie an overhand knot in nice and close to secure the clove hitch. I use the largest bent gate, non locking carbiner I can buy (so that it can slip over knots in fixed line. I then put lots of duct tape over the clove hitch/overhand knot and down the rope about 25cm to make a very stiff handle encompassing both the rope and the bottom end of the carbiner (all the knots will be covered in tape). The end outcome is that by holding onto this "handle" and flicking the fixed line you can clip and unclip very quickly when using large gloves, without needing to actually press the gate (the fixed rope presses on the gate). I know that its not as safe as having a screw gate carabiner, but I find that it's too slow and difficult to use with gloves so I end up not using it at all. I figure this is better, but the choice is up to you. At the other end of the 6mm rope, I tie in my ascender (using a looped back figure of 8 knot) and then in tie the middle into my harness (I usually don't use a carabiner in my harness to save on weight.) Adjustments to the length can be made to the ascender end, and then when you are happy, trim the surplus rope, leaving a little extra in case you want to adjust when climbing. Keep any loose ends neat with more duct tape.
Hope this makes sense. Let me know if it doesn't.
Paul.
y sling
nabs — Thu, 04/30/2009 - 14:40Hi Paul,
So basically tie one end with a clove hitch and secure with overhand knot and tape over knots with duct tape (will the cold not affect the "stickyness of the tape?)
Excuse my ignorance, could you explain "and flicking the fixed line you can clip and unclip very quickly when using large gloves, without needing to actually press the gate (the fixed rope presses on the gate)"
Would 6mm rope be thick enough?
At the other end, do you tie your ascender into the same rope that connects into your harness and the fixed line? Wouldn't the rope be to long with the up and down motion of the ascender and tied to your harness? if so do you tie it through the big hole at the top or the 2 holes by the bottom . How do you tie into your harness?
Thanks very much
Hi Nabs, Yes that's the
Paul Adler — Thu, 04/30/2009 - 23:05Hi Nabs, Yes that's the knots to use and I haven't found that the cold impacts the duct tape at all. To clip onto a fixed rope, you just pick up the fixed rope in one hand and then holding onto the tape handle, slap the carbiner gate down onto the rope. The gate will open and allow the rope to go in. To release from the rope, hold the carabiner by the tape handle and roll the fixed rope over the gate, pressing down onto the gate. The gate will open and let the rope out. A bent gate is much easier. Try it yourself with a fixed rope and let me know how you go (tie a long rope down at both ends, making it pretty tight - in the middle lifts off the ground no more than 50cm).
I think 6mm is ok. Remember it's not going to take a large fall.
Once you have the carbiner handle rigged up, you can tie the rope into your harness with a doubled back figure of eight knot. Adjust the length of the rope so that the carbiner is not too low when walking (just below your knees, but long enough so you can go around someone). Then tie in your ascender to the remaining end at one of the two holes at the bottom of the ascender, adjusting the rope length to be at about a full arms length. Trim off any extra rope once you are happy, leaving a bit extra for minute adjustments.
The way I actually assemble it, is get all the knots done and adjusted, then tape, then trim.
Paul.
Boot Comparison
NumeroNuno — Thu, 05/28/2009 - 19:00Which would you prefer for climbs up to 7000m on snow: The Asolo AFS 8000 that you own or the La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX that you have recommended as well?
I'd go for the Nepal EVO GTX
Paul Adler — Thu, 05/28/2009 - 23:33I'd go for the Nepal EVO GTX based on weight, but that's assuming that you are not climbing anywhere that's too cold irrespective of the altitude. For example I wouldn't take them to Denali or anything North of Nepal.
Paul.
Hi Paul: Do you know
carlospc — Sun, 05/31/2009 - 17:34Hi Paul:
Do you know Sportiva Baruntse boots?
Thanks.
Carlos.
La Sportiva Baruntse boots
Paul Adler — Sun, 05/31/2009 - 18:35Yes, I have seen these before. I don't know about the price, but they look like a well made boot with some clever design features. But I am not sure how they fit into the product line-up. If was going up high then I would be getting the Olympus Mons and if it was lower I'd probably buy the Nepal Evo (lighter).
Paul.
Millet Alpinist GTX vs La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX
Priory_Boy — Mon, 06/01/2009 - 20:59Hi Paul, I'm a little bit new to the mountain world having started out with trekking in the Annapurna's a couple of years ago and climbed Kilimanjaro last summer but this year I am stepping up to do Mt Blanc, with a view to doing Elbrus and Aconcagua next year.
With this step up to colder climates and snowier terrains I need to invest in some new boots and have been looking at the Millet Alpinist GTX and the La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX. Do you have any views on which of these two boots would be more preferrable? I do have a wide foot and so was favouring the Millet from the reviews I have read. Is it right to go half a UK size up? Any helpful comments gladly received. James
Millet Alpinist GTX
Paul Adler — Thu, 06/11/2009 - 03:12Hi James,
I can't comment specifically on the Millet Alpinist GTX, other than I think that Millet make some great products. I think you are right though to take into consideration your unique foot characteristics. For the type of non technical climbing you are talking about it's better to have a boot that is too large because it allows for more blood circulation and therefore will keep your feet warmer. Also remember that your feet can swell up a bit at altitude when you have been using them, so if in doubt be generous on the sizing. The other effect at altitude is that air pockets within any closed cell insulation will expand due to their relatively higher pressure compared to the ambient air. This means that your boot will feel a bit smaller up high.
In the past some boots used to come with a different inner boot (thinner) that was for use at higher altitudes (6000m+). This doesn't seem to be common now.
Regards,
Paul.
hello paul - like most of the posts, a q' about new boots
lior — Wed, 06/03/2009 - 07:33first - I must say I found considerable amount of well earned info here over time. impresive and enriching...
I'd like your opinion on the scarpa phantom 6000. I've been climbing in europe, caucas, kirgistan (never above 5500 -but sometimes in winter) and been using either a light weight la sportiva (k4) or my old kofalch's. been having cold feet and thinking of something that could keep my my feet warmer while climbing in the winter: either l's Baruntse (that are 2400g) or Batura (but I dont like the zipper and I heard drying them is problematic). and then I had a look at scarpa 6000 (2400, inner boot,warmer then most options - sounds good)... what do you think? had any exp with them?
p.s
I know the possiblity of using footwarmers (use them somtimes on my skiboots on ski tours etc) but found it hard to recharge them and would love to avoid the hassle of it ...
Scarpa Boots
Paul Adler — Thu, 06/11/2009 - 03:40Yes, I don't like the zipper having an important role on boots either. Too risky in the event of it failing (see the picture on this blog post for a La Sportiva zipper that failed.) If I had boots with zippers, then I would sew in some velcro straps to use in the event of failure. I noticed that the latest La Spotiva Olympus Mons has a velcro cover over the gaiter zip, which makes me much happier.
It sounds like some of the problem with feeling cold might be due to your boots getting old and the insulation compacting. I think the Scarpa 6000 looks good and would be warm. I know a few people who have them and they are happy. My only hesitation is that if you were walking over a lot of loose, small moraine, I am not sure how the outer material on would wear. The Baruntse would be better in this regard. You need to really look at how they each fit too. I'd steer clear of the Batura for what you need.
Hope this helps your thought process.
Regards,
Paul.
in search for the lightest weight combo
lenchik101 — Mon, 10/19/2009 - 20:06Paul,
thank you for your posts-really helpful and informative.
searching for some higher elevation mountaineering boots, i'm currently facing some interesting challenges. first, i'm a 115 pnd female with size 6.5 regular size feet looking for the most lightweight boot possible for denali. so far LaSportiva Ol. Mons seems the best weight-wise, however i'm not sure if their smallest size would fit me. secondly, for less extreme cold climbs (Aconcagua, Canadian Rockies) what would be the lightest weight boot i could get away with without taking too much risk? i don't have much experience with extreme cold and cant tell how my feet react to it. but i did climb rainier in the summer with just regular scarpa hiking boot with vibram soles while i saw some people in plastics over there-just can't imagine doing that. i also have a pair of RBH design socks which have had very positive reviews from climbers around the world, however hadn't had a chance to test them in extreme cold temps either. So what do you think would be a lightest combo for me? La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX with socks for under 8,000? can this package get lighter? how about Denali? Thank you!
Elena
Boots for people with small feet
Paul Adler — Thu, 10/22/2009 - 20:57Hi Elena,
I agree that small feet can pose a challenge when the principal market for mountaineering boots are males. However for Denali I would strongly recommend Olympus Mons, even if the smallest size appears to be too big for you (although I'd be very surprised if this was the case based on what you have said). I presume that you are doing one of the normal routes on Denali, so its not going to be technical and therefore it doesn't matter if the boot is a bit too big. I have lost half the length in my toes on my right foot due to my own stupidity and using poor quality boots, so I know what it's like to climb with boots that are too big (on one foot). And it's not something that I notice at all, even on reasonably technical climbs. For blood circulation you need to have plenty of room around your feet, so don't make the mistake of buying boots that are too small. Thats what my wife (Fiona) did with her Olympus Mons.
Some people take Olympus Mons to Aconcagua, but I think this is overkill. And you only get a few climbs with Olympus Mons before they wear out (especially the soles) So something like La Sportiva Nepal Evo GTX will be perfect. Have a look at your local store too and see what they have that you can try on.
If you are worried about cold feet, I'd also look at Hotronics heated insoles for Denali. I never climb without them now, although my feet are now more sensitive than most.
Hope this helps,
Paul.
Love my Olympus Mons
taloeffler — Sun, 11/29/2009 - 11:58Hi,
I echo everything Paul has said about the Mons-I love them-never had cold feet in them. Their soles are very fragile so you can't really wear them without crampons on. I trashed a pair on Aconcagua-fortunately the zipper failed so the company replaced the pair and I haven't used them without crampons since. I had to order a larger pair than I wanted and I haven't had any issues climbing in them.
Good luck,
TA Loeffler
Zipper failed too
Paul Adler — Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:51Interesting to read the the zipper failed on your Olympus Mons boots too. I wonder if it was just a bad batch because this would be a disaster if it happened up high in the cold.
Paul.
Indeed!
taloeffler — Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:15We jury rigged it but knocking out a tooth and putting the zipper back together...the second pair has been totally fine...but yes-it is a weakness in the design for sure.
TA
thank you
lenchik101 — Fri, 10/30/2009 - 23:42Thank you Paul,
I actually emailed LaSportiva about their smallest sizes and they said they won't be available until later in the winter...i wonder how "easy" it's going to be to try them on :) however i completely agree it's worth getting them.
Lighter Boots to Camp 2
EonE — Wed, 11/25/2009 - 15:49Thanks for answering all these questions on boots.......for years!!!! Im on Everest 2010 and am planning to take my favorite comfy Koflachs Verticals (super wide feet) for the lower part and have purchased some new "Intuition" high alitude liners from Canada, which are meant to be super warm, and.... they are also so light.
After coming across all this discussion, would value your comments Paul. Thanks. David ..New Zealand
Using lighter boots to C2
Paul Adler — Wed, 11/25/2009 - 23:33Subject to a few considerations (below), I think it's a good idea to use different boots on the lower parts of the mountain. I didn't partly because I was unsure how I would go carrying the extra weight of my heavy high altitude mountaineering boots up to C2. But if I was to go again and climb on the same schedule I would use lighter boots up to C2 (talking about Nepal side) and then use something better up high.
However, I noticed that more teams this year are climbing trekking peaks for acclimatisation and doing one less rotation through the icefall. I think this is a great idea. If this was your plan, then it's possible that you might only do 1 acclimatisation trip through the icefall, in which case it may not be worth the weight and hassle of bringing an extra pair of boots up to C2. If I was going again, I would be doing this (maybe climb the trekking peak several times and try to sleep high), so would only make one acclimatisation trip up to C3. I'd still use light boots on the trekking peak, but I'd probably start from BC with my big boots.
You really can think about Everest as 2 mountains. The part below C2 and the part above. After 10am it gets extremely hot, so it's best to plan to avoid climbing during this time. You certainly don't need heavy mountaineering boots for this section. Lighter boots will save you a lot of effort, plus enable you to move faster, which is important through the icefall.
Intuition liners are great. I have said it before, but I'd suggest looking at a hotronic foot warmers and 2 spare pairs of batteries.
Good Luck in 2010.
Regards,
Paul.
Scarpa Phantom 8000 Vs Millet Everest
Alex — Fri, 12/18/2009 - 15:54Hi Paul
I am in the process of buying my boots for Cho Oyu. I did plan to buy some Millet's, but I am finding it difficult to locate some in the Uk. Then the other day I looked at some Scarpa Phantom 8000's.
The boot and the inner boot looked more advanced than the Millet, and the bottom grip looked/felt very similar. I also think that they are lighter.
However I have not seen many people using these boots and wondered how well they performed compared to the Millet, especially on warmth?
Also, the gaiter only has one zip- but it did look stronger than the millets smaller zip.
Thanks a lot!
Alex
Scarpa Phantom 8000
Paul Adler — Sun, 12/20/2009 - 22:06Hi Alex,
I am surprised you can't find Millet Everest in the UK, given that they are made in France. We can buy them easily in Australia. I take it that you don't want to consider the La Sportiva, which will be lighter again (Olympus Mons Evo is 2.26kg for the pair compared with approximately 2.7kg for the Scarpa Phantom & Millet Everest GTX)?
I know many people who have had to turn around because of cold feet, when otherwise the conditions were perfect. That's why my suggestion is to stick with boots that are more commonly used, rather than try something like this.
But if you do go with the Scarpa Phantom wouldn't worry about it only having one zip. In fact you could argue that this is better as it means less room for failure.
Regards, Paul.
raichle expedition boots
seal6tgj — Sat, 01/02/2010 - 07:23i recently bought the raichle expedition boots and have been looking for reviews, or a comparison of them. no luck. wondering if anyone has any insight on them on how they compare to the millet everest or 8000m boots. are they everest ready?
thanks,
tyler
Raichle expedition boots
Paul Adler — Tue, 02/09/2010 - 02:21I haven't seen these and I'd personally be very careful about taking something new up that was as important as boots. Fiona (my wife) has Raichle hiking boots and they have been great, however the soles came off the first pair she got, after only 20 days of use. Luckily the local shop we bought them from provided a replacement.
Paul.